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the_milky_wayI think this going to be more about the trailer than the episode itself... or well.. not really, it is all about the ep now... after having seen it a second time I can say a little more....
But there be light spoilers here, though I have only seen the trailer and I know nothing else about next week.
So a lot of things got revealed this episode. Some I have been waiting for, some I have been spoiled for because people suck or because I wasn't careful enough, some have been going around fandom fro months now and other where just really new and maybe kind of scary.
First time watching I had this:
Serioulsy? First of all I have to say I am a tad confused by this whole episode. More so by the need they felt to have this story arch in there.
I don't really know what to think about it to be honest.
I have read so many different things about this episode and how people are reacting that I honestly can't say what fandom in general is feeling now.
I just know that I don't know how to really feel.
I feel oddly untouched by the facts. *shrugs*
But then I am still a little torn and I am even more torn due to the fact that on the one hand I get it and on the other I don't and think it wasn't really necessary.
And really, I think the Dean/Anna thing next week? That feels like retaliation in a way. It feels like either Dean or Kripke want to even things out. I so don't know about that right now.
I can live with naked!Dean though.. :D
Okay, so I might just go and wish that this won't be anything permanent. Because I doubt that the show could survive if it is anything but about the brothers. But I guess it will just be intermezzos, like it usually is.
Or I hope so. The thing is I am kind of impressed with the balls they have showing it. They could have shown Sam falling any other way. I hope they are ready to deal with it.
I am not sure but I don't know if I can really believe Sam doing it and Dean reacting that way he did.
They both have been hunting evil all their lives, more or less voluntarily and then that's what they do and how they react?
I don't know.... I just don't know.
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Second time watching:
I am strangely okay with it now. I don't know but watching it again and making notes helped with thinking about things.
I am kind of relieved as well. I mean that 'big thing' is out of the way and I am actually more worried about the fandom shit that will start now than the about the ep itself, which says a lot how much things have changed lately.
I will continue to stay out of things this season because it just feels saner and I can live with not knowing everything or following every wank.
I just want to watch my show and be able to squeee about the things that I like/love.
Someone said something about the 'dead body' issue.
It was pointed out that Sam was dead,too and that his body was dead for more than just a few minutes before his soul got back into it.
So Sam is kind of inhabiting a dead body as well... Kind of like Ruby does... and her body was soulless when she entered.
Just wanted to have that in here.. because it does make sense.
As for the acting itself?
I love Jared. I really, truly love what he did this episode even if I can't really feel anything that might be close to coherent towards the ep.
I love how he managed to get it through what Sam went through, what Sam is still dealing with.
Jared did an awesome job there and I love how he is developing as an actor. It worked for me. It really did.
I seriously hope fans are going to behave this weekend and not be rude towards Jared.
Because face it guys, he is the actor and not Sam.. and I don't know but I doubt he would have had much a say in things if it was that important to the story that Kripke and Sera had to have in the ep.
On to the ep now.
Why is it that every time they are dealing with angels (or some kind of seeings9 that they start in a psych ward?
Scary how she is telling the thruth.
600 possible seals? And only 66 are needed?
Oh boys, you really will have a hard job trying to stop that.
She can see the demon's real face? Like Dean could before he went to hell.
Okay, so she has abilities, too. Makes sense in a way.
They are hustling pool.
It's canon now..., Sam and Dean hustling pool.
The look between them!!!
Dean's look when he sees why Sam is stopping the game.
Their voices! It's something I realise this season.. their voices sound.. deeper somehow.
"You are bff with a demon."
"Sure Dean, let's trade stories."
Flashback.
Oh Sammy.
Drunk!Sam. So Sam and Bobby needed the bottles after Dean was gone.
A guy? Uhm.. weren't crossroad demons supposed to embody your desires?
Is that a hint?
Oh Sam, don't give up the knife boy.
Sam is so.. feral there.
He is so desperate to get Dean back, he would sacrifice himself. It really lies within the whole family, doesn't it??
And what the crossroad demon said to Sam kind of got stuck... It was their plan to get Dean? Was it to let Sam go darkside, like it had been YED's plan all along?
Huh... Interesting.
Did he really say "I don't want candy?"
"Just take me! It's a fair trade."
Oh Sam!
That scene right there, the boys in the car with the sweepers on? Is breaking my heart.
Is the doctor allowed to tell them all this?
The parents are dead. Not good.
So the angels are talking about the boys. Is that good or bad?
So I guess what she can hear is what Castiel thought Dean could.
And it started when Dean got out of hell.
"Dean Winchester is save."
This is the new evil and he is stronger than Sam.
White eyes!
Sam going down the stairs... not good.
The demon knowing Dean..
"We were so close... in hell."
Alastair.
And the knife doesn't work on him? Why not?
Do they have to keep on rendering their weapons useless? It's a cheap plot device. *sighs*
Oh well maybe next time it is a.. I don't know... what else can there be? An arrow maybe?
BoyTouching!!!!!
It's worth mentioning... because BoyTouching!!!
Sam using the knife and now the knife is gone. Shit.
Window jump.
Oh so I guess this was what Jared had been talking about in that interview.. LOL
Sam stiching himself up again because Dean can't.
"So you lost the magic knife?"
"Yes saving your ass."
On three means on one for Sam.. Ouch.
"Why do you trust her so much?"
Good question Dean.
Sammy is going to tell him now...
Drunk!Sam again.
He looks bad. Really bad.
I kind of like the blond girl better as Ruby. She is kick ass.
Sam driving the Impala is always kinda cool.
I like Sam demanding Ruby to let the secretary go.
So the Ruby now is dead? Or well the body is soulless. Hmmm
Uhm okay... that solves that question.
Wow, one handed shot gun pull...nice move.
She brings papers to convince Sam?
Uhm.. okay... weak move but nice try.
Man, Sam really must be desperate if he is so willing to do that.
He is alone.. and hurt.
They are drinking way too much this season...
"The first thing I learned... I am a crappy student."
Yeah Sammy.
Headache.. Oh Sam.
Ruby though, truly is a demon.
Drinks and pills... and not talking about Dean.. yeah Sam is down.
Drunk!Sam is a bitch but it's Sam.
And Sam is refusing her first, brushing her off...
"That is anything but okay."
"What's wrong?"
"What's wrong? Where do I start."
*I know what's coming next and I am strangely unattached and untouched by it... but I have to admit I spent watching that scene the first time wholly focused on Jared... excuse me for being shallow but yeah... Holy mother of Hell.... that man can take me any time he wants to*
I have to say that I would have thought Sam would fight more... but at least he tried.
Rough sex.. yeah... I can see Sam doing that.. for a lot of reasons.... doesn't mean I have to like it.
And I see people having issues with it and I know people will just find anything to bash either Sam or Ruby.
I don't like that either.
Yes, she came on to a drunken Sam and that very strongly. She did everything to convince him and I think it might be a plan of hers.
"Sam?"
"Yeah?"
"Too much information."
"I told you I was coming clean."
"Yeah well.. now I feel dirty."
Okay, it makes sense and all but I had to giggle so much there. Sorry...
But you know.. he tells Deam the details... and seriously.. Deanm seems to be okay with at least that.. Uhm...
But then he does call Ruby a manipulative bitch who is playing mind games with Sam... and honestly? I hope she is because that would make the whole character more.. believable? Continuity...
Ruby tries to hold Sam back because he is not ready?
Sam doesn't want to survive... he doesn't want to go without Dean. So that makes sense.
Knife!kink is canon.
*Sorry, I feel all silly all of a sudden*
Sam going after Lilith all alone isn't so smart.
Sam's powers don't work there? Huh?
Oh okay they do...
Dean isn't sure what to think of it.
Maid!Ruby though is awesome. Really... Yes.
Okay, so if Anna says it, too.
Dean apologizing...trying to. Okay that is so Dean.
"Is the moment over? Good. 'Cause that was awkward."
The angels' entrance is kind cool.
Winchesters against angels.
So Anna has to die?
I don't trust Ruby at all anymore. I really hope there will be something like betrayal here because she is a demon after all and I don't really think that she is all that good hearted and helping as it seems now.
I don't trust her.
The things is that I don't know where they are going with the Winchesters against the Angels thing. I don't know how that will turn out in the end and it scares me a little.
It might not work at all in the end.
But really what works for me is that this time it seems like the angels are all about death and nto saving the innocent and the demons (or at least one so far) are about saving life. It's a nice change of view there.
One question though, if there are so many seals, why the hell are they only trying now to break them? I mean only 66 are needed. Are the time locked or something?
Not one of my fav eps, but better than the one before. I think I would have like it better without the whole controversy thing there.
*shrugs*
I read things about that ep ruining the character of Sam for some people, I have to say I can see why but it's not like that for me. It makes sense even though I don't like it much or well am rather untouched by it. I see why Sam was doing those things, why he couldn't go on living like that. And dude, he was grieving and did need to be convinced, it's not like he was all "oh hell yes, let's do it and I don't care at all about it", because he did and does care. I am pretty sure that now that Dean is back there is no reason for him to go down that dark path again.. but who knows.
It definitely did not ruin the character of Sam for me... it just made it more visible how much he has changed and how much he still clings to Dean and how much he needs somebody to be there... how much he needs his brother to be there.
Doesn't mean I like the way he did deal with his grief.
Preview: Uhm. okay... Naked!Jensen.. I can live with that.
I think this scene will be used as some kind of hook up for the whole ep.. like they said, it is temptation and Sam does say Dean is accussed of being guilty.,. by the angels no less. And well I think we wills ee what Dean had to go through in hell.
I am looking forward to see this.
And please people, don't give Jared shit for a character he is playing. Especially not at conventions.
He is not Sam!!
It makes me cringe that it even has to be said because seriously, it's just a show after all.
*sighs*
Man, this got longer than I thought it would.
But there be light spoilers here, though I have only seen the trailer and I know nothing else about next week.
So a lot of things got revealed this episode. Some I have been waiting for, some I have been spoiled for because people suck or because I wasn't careful enough, some have been going around fandom fro months now and other where just really new and maybe kind of scary.
First time watching I had this:
Serioulsy? First of all I have to say I am a tad confused by this whole episode. More so by the need they felt to have this story arch in there.
I don't really know what to think about it to be honest.
I have read so many different things about this episode and how people are reacting that I honestly can't say what fandom in general is feeling now.
I just know that I don't know how to really feel.
I feel oddly untouched by the facts. *shrugs*
But then I am still a little torn and I am even more torn due to the fact that on the one hand I get it and on the other I don't and think it wasn't really necessary.
And really, I think the Dean/Anna thing next week? That feels like retaliation in a way. It feels like either Dean or Kripke want to even things out. I so don't know about that right now.
I can live with naked!Dean though.. :D
Okay, so I might just go and wish that this won't be anything permanent. Because I doubt that the show could survive if it is anything but about the brothers. But I guess it will just be intermezzos, like it usually is.
Or I hope so. The thing is I am kind of impressed with the balls they have showing it. They could have shown Sam falling any other way. I hope they are ready to deal with it.
I am not sure but I don't know if I can really believe Sam doing it and Dean reacting that way he did.
They both have been hunting evil all their lives, more or less voluntarily and then that's what they do and how they react?
I don't know.... I just don't know.
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|
Second time watching:
I am strangely okay with it now. I don't know but watching it again and making notes helped with thinking about things.
I am kind of relieved as well. I mean that 'big thing' is out of the way and I am actually more worried about the fandom shit that will start now than the about the ep itself, which says a lot how much things have changed lately.
I will continue to stay out of things this season because it just feels saner and I can live with not knowing everything or following every wank.
I just want to watch my show and be able to squeee about the things that I like/love.
Someone said something about the 'dead body' issue.
It was pointed out that Sam was dead,too and that his body was dead for more than just a few minutes before his soul got back into it.
So Sam is kind of inhabiting a dead body as well... Kind of like Ruby does... and her body was soulless when she entered.
Just wanted to have that in here.. because it does make sense.
As for the acting itself?
I love Jared. I really, truly love what he did this episode even if I can't really feel anything that might be close to coherent towards the ep.
I love how he managed to get it through what Sam went through, what Sam is still dealing with.
Jared did an awesome job there and I love how he is developing as an actor. It worked for me. It really did.
I seriously hope fans are going to behave this weekend and not be rude towards Jared.
Because face it guys, he is the actor and not Sam.. and I don't know but I doubt he would have had much a say in things if it was that important to the story that Kripke and Sera had to have in the ep.
On to the ep now.
Why is it that every time they are dealing with angels (or some kind of seeings9 that they start in a psych ward?
Scary how she is telling the thruth.
600 possible seals? And only 66 are needed?
Oh boys, you really will have a hard job trying to stop that.
She can see the demon's real face? Like Dean could before he went to hell.
Okay, so she has abilities, too. Makes sense in a way.
They are hustling pool.
It's canon now..., Sam and Dean hustling pool.
The look between them!!!
Dean's look when he sees why Sam is stopping the game.
Their voices! It's something I realise this season.. their voices sound.. deeper somehow.
"You are bff with a demon."
"Sure Dean, let's trade stories."
Flashback.
Oh Sammy.
Drunk!Sam. So Sam and Bobby needed the bottles after Dean was gone.
A guy? Uhm.. weren't crossroad demons supposed to embody your desires?
Is that a hint?
Oh Sam, don't give up the knife boy.
Sam is so.. feral there.
He is so desperate to get Dean back, he would sacrifice himself. It really lies within the whole family, doesn't it??
And what the crossroad demon said to Sam kind of got stuck... It was their plan to get Dean? Was it to let Sam go darkside, like it had been YED's plan all along?
Huh... Interesting.
Did he really say "I don't want candy?"
"Just take me! It's a fair trade."
Oh Sam!
That scene right there, the boys in the car with the sweepers on? Is breaking my heart.
Is the doctor allowed to tell them all this?
The parents are dead. Not good.
So the angels are talking about the boys. Is that good or bad?
So I guess what she can hear is what Castiel thought Dean could.
And it started when Dean got out of hell.
"Dean Winchester is save."
This is the new evil and he is stronger than Sam.
White eyes!
Sam going down the stairs... not good.
The demon knowing Dean..
"We were so close... in hell."
Alastair.
And the knife doesn't work on him? Why not?
Do they have to keep on rendering their weapons useless? It's a cheap plot device. *sighs*
Oh well maybe next time it is a.. I don't know... what else can there be? An arrow maybe?
BoyTouching!!!!!
It's worth mentioning... because BoyTouching!!!
Sam using the knife and now the knife is gone. Shit.
Window jump.
Oh so I guess this was what Jared had been talking about in that interview.. LOL
Sam stiching himself up again because Dean can't.
"So you lost the magic knife?"
"Yes saving your ass."
On three means on one for Sam.. Ouch.
"Why do you trust her so much?"
Good question Dean.
Sammy is going to tell him now...
Drunk!Sam again.
He looks bad. Really bad.
I kind of like the blond girl better as Ruby. She is kick ass.
Sam driving the Impala is always kinda cool.
I like Sam demanding Ruby to let the secretary go.
So the Ruby now is dead? Or well the body is soulless. Hmmm
Uhm okay... that solves that question.
Wow, one handed shot gun pull...nice move.
She brings papers to convince Sam?
Uhm.. okay... weak move but nice try.
Man, Sam really must be desperate if he is so willing to do that.
He is alone.. and hurt.
They are drinking way too much this season...
"The first thing I learned... I am a crappy student."
Yeah Sammy.
Headache.. Oh Sam.
Ruby though, truly is a demon.
Drinks and pills... and not talking about Dean.. yeah Sam is down.
Drunk!Sam is a bitch but it's Sam.
And Sam is refusing her first, brushing her off...
"That is anything but okay."
"What's wrong?"
"What's wrong? Where do I start."
*I know what's coming next and I am strangely unattached and untouched by it... but I have to admit I spent watching that scene the first time wholly focused on Jared... excuse me for being shallow but yeah... Holy mother of Hell.... that man can take me any time he wants to*
I have to say that I would have thought Sam would fight more... but at least he tried.
Rough sex.. yeah... I can see Sam doing that.. for a lot of reasons.... doesn't mean I have to like it.
And I see people having issues with it and I know people will just find anything to bash either Sam or Ruby.
I don't like that either.
Yes, she came on to a drunken Sam and that very strongly. She did everything to convince him and I think it might be a plan of hers.
"Sam?"
"Yeah?"
"Too much information."
"I told you I was coming clean."
"Yeah well.. now I feel dirty."
Okay, it makes sense and all but I had to giggle so much there. Sorry...
But you know.. he tells Deam the details... and seriously.. Deanm seems to be okay with at least that.. Uhm...
But then he does call Ruby a manipulative bitch who is playing mind games with Sam... and honestly? I hope she is because that would make the whole character more.. believable? Continuity...
Ruby tries to hold Sam back because he is not ready?
Sam doesn't want to survive... he doesn't want to go without Dean. So that makes sense.
Knife!kink is canon.
*Sorry, I feel all silly all of a sudden*
Sam going after Lilith all alone isn't so smart.
Sam's powers don't work there? Huh?
Oh okay they do...
Dean isn't sure what to think of it.
Maid!Ruby though is awesome. Really... Yes.
Okay, so if Anna says it, too.
Dean apologizing...trying to. Okay that is so Dean.
"Is the moment over? Good. 'Cause that was awkward."
The angels' entrance is kind cool.
Winchesters against angels.
So Anna has to die?
I don't trust Ruby at all anymore. I really hope there will be something like betrayal here because she is a demon after all and I don't really think that she is all that good hearted and helping as it seems now.
I don't trust her.
The things is that I don't know where they are going with the Winchesters against the Angels thing. I don't know how that will turn out in the end and it scares me a little.
It might not work at all in the end.
But really what works for me is that this time it seems like the angels are all about death and nto saving the innocent and the demons (or at least one so far) are about saving life. It's a nice change of view there.
One question though, if there are so many seals, why the hell are they only trying now to break them? I mean only 66 are needed. Are the time locked or something?
Not one of my fav eps, but better than the one before. I think I would have like it better without the whole controversy thing there.
*shrugs*
I read things about that ep ruining the character of Sam for some people, I have to say I can see why but it's not like that for me. It makes sense even though I don't like it much or well am rather untouched by it. I see why Sam was doing those things, why he couldn't go on living like that. And dude, he was grieving and did need to be convinced, it's not like he was all "oh hell yes, let's do it and I don't care at all about it", because he did and does care. I am pretty sure that now that Dean is back there is no reason for him to go down that dark path again.. but who knows.
It definitely did not ruin the character of Sam for me... it just made it more visible how much he has changed and how much he still clings to Dean and how much he needs somebody to be there... how much he needs his brother to be there.
Doesn't mean I like the way he did deal with his grief.
Preview: Uhm. okay... Naked!Jensen.. I can live with that.
I think this scene will be used as some kind of hook up for the whole ep.. like they said, it is temptation and Sam does say Dean is accussed of being guilty.,. by the angels no less. And well I think we wills ee what Dean had to go through in hell.
I am looking forward to see this.
And please people, don't give Jared shit for a character he is playing. Especially not at conventions.
He is not Sam!!
It makes me cringe that it even has to be said because seriously, it's just a show after all.
*sighs*
Man, this got longer than I thought it would.
